ABT Q3 '26

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   “But high level, I'd say forecasting sales to be, you know, as we come out of the gate, pretty similar to this year.”

   Analyst asked: Yeah, sorry. The revenue guidance reduction, I think, to 6% this year implies about 8% for Q4. What was the driver or drivers of the revenue reduction and implications for next year? Thank you.

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   “We expect to launch this new sensor in the U.S. in December.”

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   “So we announced our acquisition of Exact Sciences last year.”

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   “And based on current rates, we expect exchange to have a negative impact of approximately 1% on fourth-quarters.”

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   “During the third quarter, our testing data continued to support that view, with testing demand remaining healthy and at durable levels.”

1. +0.28%0:00OperatorGood morning and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Abbott's third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. All participants will be able to listen only until the question and answer portion of this call. During the question and answer session, you will be able to ask your question by pressing the star one one keys on your touchtone phone. This call is being recorded by Abbott. With the exception of any participants questions asked during the question and answer session, the entire call, including the question and answer session, is material copyrighted by Abbott. It cannot be recorded or rebroadcast without Abbott's express written permission. I would now like to introduce Mr. Mike Camilla,
2. +0.28%0:43OperatorVice President, Investor Relations.
3. +0.28%0:47ManagementGood morning and thank you for joining us. With me today are Robert Ford, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Phil Boudreau, Executive Vice President, Finance and Chief Financial Officer. Robert and Phil will provide opening remarks. Following their comments, we'll take your questions. Before we get started, some statements made today may be forward-looking for purposes of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Abbott cautions that these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in the forward-looking statements. Economic, competitive, and economic, and economic, and economic, and economic, and economic, and economic, and economic, and economic,
4. +0.17%1:31Managementgovernmental, technological, and other factors that may affect Abbott's operations are discussed in Item 1A, Risk Fact, for the year ended December 31, 2025. It undertakes no obligation to release publicly any revisions to forward-looking statements as a result of subsequent events or developments except as required by law. On today's conference call, as in the past, non-GAAP financial measures will be used to help investors understand Abbott's ongoing business performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are reconciled with the comparable GAAP financial measures
5. -0.30%2:14Managementin our earnings news release and regulatory filings from today, which are available on our website at abbott.com. Note that Abbott has not provided the related GAAP financial measures on a forward-looking basis for the non-GAAP financial measures for which it is providing guidance because the company is unable to predict with reasonable certainty and without the necessary knowledge and without unreasonable effort the timing and impact of certain items which could significantly impact Abbott's results in accordance with GAAP. Unless otherwise noted, our commentary on sales growth refers to comparable sales growth. Our definition of comparable sales growth can be found on page 2 of our press release issued earlier today,
6. -0.30%2:56Managementand a reconciliation table containing the data needed to calculate comparable sales growth can be found on page 16. With that, I will now turn the call over to Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Along with reporting our third quarter results, we announced our intention to separate our nutrition business into an independent publicly traded company. This decision follows a comprehensive strategic review and reflects our strong belief that both Abbott and the nutrition business can create greater value and achieve their maximum potential as independent organizations. Abbott entered the nutrition business more than 60 years ago.
7. -0.34%3:41ManagementWe are a company that has been Since that time, we built a strong foundation anchored by a talented global organization, iconic brands, and established market leadership positions across the pediatric and adult nutrition categories. The nutrition market has evolved over time, with the pace of change accelerating significantly in recent years. What was once predominantly viewed as a healthcare market, almost exclusively shaped by healthcare professionals, has increasingly become a market shape by changing consumer preferences, wellness trends, and retail execution. While this market evolution is not inherently positive or negative, it has fundamentally changed the environment in which we operate.
8. -0.09%4:25ManagementSo to best position our nutrition business for maximum long-term success, we must evolve and adapt accordingly. At the same time, Abbott has strategically repositioned its portfolio over the past decade into attractive, high-growth markets that require sustained investment to drive innovation and support long-term growth. So we believe both businesses will be better positioned for the future as independent organizations, each with a distinct identity, reflecting their different customer bases, growth profiles, investment requirements, and innovation cycles. This separation will enable both companies to sharpen strategic and operational focus, direct resources more effectively,
9. +0.29%5:09Managementand enhance commercial and R&D effectiveness. As an independent company, nutrition will be uniquely positioned to capitalize on the growing demand for healthy nutrition, as consumers increasingly recognize the importance of metabolic health and the role healthy nutrition plays in disease prevention and overall wellness. The new nutrition company will be created from a position of strength. The team has done an exceptional job building a balanced growth model supported by sustainable mix, a volume, and price. The portfolio includes several iconic brands, including Similac, PediaSure, Ensure, Glucerna, and Pedialyte, which have market-leading positions across the pediatric and adult nutrition categories.
10. +0.29%5:53ManagementWith approximately $8.5 billion in annual sales, 16,000 employees, and 14 manufacturing sites, this will be the largest globally scaled pure-play company in the healthy nutrition market. Given its scale and financial profile, we would expect this new company to qualify for inclusion in the S&P 500. And pleased to share that Daniel Salvadore, Executive Vice President and Group President of Established Pharmaceuticals and Nutrition Products, will become Chief Executive Officer of the new nutrition company. Daniel joined Abbott in 2014 as Senior Vice President in our Established Pharmaceuticals business for Latin America and also served as Executive Vice President of Nutrition Products
11. +0.40%6:37Managementfor four years before being appointed to his current position in 2021. Throughout his career at Abbott, Daniel has demonstrated outstanding strategic insight and operational excellence. His broad international experience and proven track record of delivering results as a business operator make him exceptionally well suited for this role and I'm confident he will be a tremendous success. Daniel will be joined by an experienced leadership team with deep industry experience. And this is a battle-tested team that has demonstrated exceptional resilience and dedication while navigating a dynamic and evolving operating environment. Following the separation, Abbott will remain one of the largest, most diversified, and fastest growing healthcare companies in the world.
12. +0.29%7:21ManagementThe Abbott portfolio will consist of an even stronger mix of higher growth, higher margin businesses powered by technology and innovation. As a result, we expect Abbott sales growth to accelerate and margin profiles to expand. While the Abbott portfolio will evolve. And maintaining balance across products, payers and geographies will remain a key strength and source of resilience for the company. We built this portfolio to hold market leading positions in three of the most attractive areas of healthcare, medtech, diagnostics and established pharmaceuticals. The portfolio was also intentionally built to align with durable healthcare trends, including an aging population, increasing prevalence of chronic disease, and a growing demand for
13. +0.34%8:06Managementearlier diagnosis. Thank you. and more personalized treatment. With market-leading positions, an industry-leading pipeline, and a proven ability to consistently generate strong earnings growth and cash flow, Abbott is exceptionally well-positioned to deliver sustainable growth and create long-term shareholder value in the years ahead. I cannot be more excited about this future. I have tremendous confidence in Abbott's future as an innovation-driven healthcare company, and I'm also confident in the opportunities that lie ahead for the new nutrition company. Most importantly, this creates two stronger organizations that will both continue to fulfill our mission of helping people live better lives.
14. +0.34%8:46ManagementWe look forward to sharing updates on our progress as we move through the separation process. I'll now review the third quarter results before I turn the call over to Phil. Sales grew 7% in the third quarter, and earnings per share grew 9%, representing an acceleration. We saw a significant increase in growth on both top and bottom lines compared to our results in the first half of the year. Turning to diagnostics, where sales grew 6.5%, driven by performance in our core laboratory and cancer diagnostic businesses. Core lab sales grew 5.5%, driven by strong performance in the U.S., Europe, Japan, and Latin America. On our earnings call in July, I highlighted that test volume data sourced directly
15. +0.48%9:30Managementfrom thousands of instruments located across the U.S. and around the world, showed a pattern of strong and stable demand. We view this as a positive indicator of the underlying demand for healthcare more broadly. During the third quarter, our testing data continued to support that view, with testing demand remaining healthy and at durable levels. In cancer diagnostics, sales growth of 14% was driven by Cologuard and contributions to growth from our precision oncology and international businesses. In September, we launched our first blood-based colorectal cancer screening test. As the only company to offer both stool-based and blood-based screening options,
16. +0.45%10:14Managementwe are expanding the options available to healthcare providers and patients to help achieve the goal of getting more people screened. Turning to nutrition, sales grew 5%, reflecting broad-based growth across all four categories, U.S. pediatric, international pediatric, U.S. adult, and international adult. As I mentioned, the team has done an exceptional job executing a more balanced growth strategy, achieving a more sustainable mix of volume and price-driven growth. In pediatric nutrition, sales grew 9%, led by growth of 11% in the U.S. As I noted last quarter, the strong performance in the U.S. includes the benefit from WIC contract wins secured earlier this year,
17. +0.45%10:59Managementwhich helped Abbott regain its market leadership position in both the WIC and non-WIC segments. In adult nutrition, sales increased 2%, driven by growth of 3.5% in the U.S. as retail consumption data continues to trend in a positive direction. We also continue to live strong growth on a sequential basis, with worldwide nutrition sales increasing more than $100 million compared to the second quarter. And finally, we continue to make good progress advancing our innovation pipeline. During the quarter, we launched a new version of our Similac infant formula made with whole milk.
18. +0.25%11:35ManagementThis new product is the first and only commercially sterile, ready-to-feed liquid infant formula made with whole milk available in the United States. Turning to EPD, where sales increased 8.5% in the quarter. Our broad portfolio of prescription and over-the-counter medicines, tailored to address local healthcare needs, continues to drive strong growth across emerging markets. Growth in the quarter was broad-based across geographies and therapeutic areas, and this included double-digit growth in several countries across Asia, Latin America, and the Middle East, highlighting the strong and durable demand that has long been a hallmark of this business. And I'll wrap up with medical devices, where sales grew 8%.
19. +1.02%12:20ManagementGrowth was well-balanced across the portfolio, led by double-digit growth in electrophysiology and rhythm management. In electrophysiology, our third quarter results reflected the growth of the medical devices. Growth in the quarter was mid-teens or high-teens when excluding LAA. In the U.S., high-teens and exceeded 20% excluding LAA. This performance was driven by increasing adoption of our new Volt PFA catheter, with momentum accelerating in September, following the transition to a full U.S. market release in mid-August. International growth also accelerated.
20. +0.61%13:01ManagementAs we continue to capture market share in Europe, driven by increasing uptake of our new PFA catheters and growth in other categories across our broad portfolio. In September, we received FDA approval earlier than expected for our TactiFlex Duo catheter. This catheter enables physicians to seamlessly switch between using RF and PFA energy during a procedure. Given physicians' familiarity with the TactiFlex platform, we expect to execute a broad U.S. launch starting in the fourth quarter. In the third quarter, we also received CE mark for our new AMOLED 360 left atrial appendage device, designed to help reduce the risk of stroke in patients with AFib.
21. +0.61%13:44ManagementWe look forward to bringing this new technology to the U.S. Sales grew 10%, driven by increased adoption of AVERA across both single and dual chamber segments of the pacemaker market. This expanding use of AVERA is occurring in both the U.S. and international markets. In diabetes care, continuous glucose monitoring sales grew 8% in the quarter. In August, we received FDA approval for LibreDuo, the world's first dual glucose ketone bio-variable sensor. This marks the first time that people with diabetes will be able to monitor ketones without the need for traditional blood or urine tests. We expect to launch this new sensor in the U.S. in December.
22. +0.71%14:31ManagementSo, in summary, we delivered an acceleration in growth. On both top and bottom lines, innovation continues to be a key differentiator for Abbott, highlighted by multiple new product approvals and launches that further strengthen our ability to deliver sustainable growth in the years ahead. And we took an important strategic step towards shaping our future through the planned creation of a new market-leading nutrition company. I'll now turn it over to call to Phil. Let me begin my remarks with an overview of some of the key aspects of our planning process for the separation. The first is the separation. The new nutrition company will become a through a planned, tax-free distribution to Abbott shareholders.
23. 0.00%15:14ManagementUpon completion of the separation, Abbott shareholders will own shares of both Abbott and the new nutrition company, enabling our shareholders to participate in the value creation opportunities of both businesses. The final share distribution ratio will be communicated prior to the separation, which we anticipate completing by the end of next year, subject to the required approval. We incur separation-related costs as we progress through the separation process. These costs will be treated as specified items and excluded from adjusted earnings. As a result, we do not expect the separation to have an impact on our supply in January.
24. 0.00%15:58ManagementWe will establish capital structures that ensure both companies have a strong financial foundation. This includes ensuring adequate capital to support long-term growth objectives and capital allocation priorities, while maintaining strong investment-grade credit ratings for both companies. As part of that process, we are planning for the new company to raise debt. With a portion of the project to be completed by the end of next year, we will be able to provide a new financial foundation for Abbott. We expect a portion of the proceeds to be distributed to Abbott. The amount of debt to be raised and the amount to be distributed to Abbott will be determined at a later date.
25. +0.41%16:35ManagementWe expect that both Abbott and the new nutrition company will pay a dividend that, when combined, will equal Abbott's dividend at the time of the separation. Following the separation, we expect Abbott's financial profile to reflect an acceleration in the sales growth and increased profitability. For the current profile of the nutrition business from the current profile of the Abbott portfolio, we would expect sales growth to accelerate. We expect the new business to be able to increase sales by 50 to 100 basis points, gross margin as a percent of sales to increase by more than 200 basis points, and an operating margin as a percent of sales to increase by approximately 100 basis points.
26. +0.16%17:13ManagementOn a comparable basis, an adjusted earnings per share of $1.42 was in line with our guidance and the consensus estimate. Foreign exchange had an unfavorable year-over-year impact of 0.4% on third-quarter sales, which was a slight improvement compared to our expectations at the time of our earnings call in July. Regarding other aspects of the P&L, the adjusted gross margin profile was 57.2% of sales, representing an increase of 140 basis points compared to the prior year.
27. +0.16%17:54ManagementThe improvement in gross margin was broad-based, reflecting favorable business mix within the legacy Abbott portfolio and from the addition of Exact Sciences, as well as the continued operational improvements and disciplined execution of our margin expansion initiatives. The adjusted R&D was 6.9% of sales. And adjusted SG&A was 26.9% of sales. And based on current rates, we expect exchange to have a negative impact of approximately 1% on fourth-quarters.
28. +0.63%18:32Management$1.62 to $1.67.
29. +0.63%18:46OperatorThank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising you that your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11. For optimal sound quality, we kindly ask that you please use your handset instead of your speakerphone when asking your question. Again, that's star 11 to ask a question. Please stand by while we compile our Q&A roster. And our first question will come from Robert Marcus from J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
30. +0.21%19:28AnalystGreat. Good morning, and thanks for taking the questions. I'm sure others will ask the same question. I'm sure others will ask on the business and the guide. But, Robert, given the news this morning on nutrition, I wanted to start with that to make sure we address it. Maybe you could run through the strategic rationale, why now, why spin versus sell, and any other important points you want to highlight for us. Thanks a lot.
31. +0.21%19:57ManagementSure, Robbie. I actually think that's the right call to start off, the right question to start off with, to be quite honest. It's a pretty big announcement for us. And we've gone through a lot of work to be able to make this announcement today. You know, I've seen a lot of notes being written about kind of the portfolio. And all of those notes are, you know, from some of the parts and kind of growth rates and impact of growth rates and margin profiles. And I think Phil mentioned some of those. And those are all, I would say, you know, good outputs of a decision.
32. +0.56%20:34ManagementBut I think it really starts with a very simple, as I laid it out, which is there's a huge opportunity that I think is building in this market, in this segment. And we're seeing a shift towards a much more healthy nutrition behavior from consumers, not just in this country but around the world. You're seeing a lot of traditional food companies try to reposition their portfolios, moving away from ultra-processed to try and, you know, launch. And ultimately try and build portfolios that, you know, that try to mimic actually the portfolio that we actually have today.
33. +1.11%21:12ManagementSo I just think that strategically over the next decade, you know, there's going to be a lot of segments in this nutrition business that we've built that are going to be very differentiated and kind of high growth. And if you look at nutrition's portfolio, its position today, the capabilities that it has, it is destined to be a – Yeah. A market leader and a market shaper of that entire segment that's going to have this accelerating growth here. But they are going to need to adapt, as I said in my comment. They are going to need to evolve. And ultimately, they are going to need to invest. Invest in kind of sales and marketing.
34. +1.11%21:53ManagementYou know, even maybe look at, you know, tuck in M&A from their perspective to accelerate their growth rates and all of that. And I just – you know, we just came to the conclusion that this was too exciting of an opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we just believe that, you know, all the things that they would need to do, they'd probably be able to do it faster and more efficiently and effectively as an independent company. So it really just comes down to that. Yeah, there's the – I would say the ancillary effects of those decisions, Robbie. I think you've written good – you know, done a good analysis on that in terms of what that does for our growth rates and all of that. But I think it really comes down to really the driver of the decision is this is going to be an – it's going to be an exciting space.
35. +0.54%22:36ManagementAnd as a result, we think that the nutrition business is going to be able to capitalize better on that by being an independent company. From a financial – from a financial asset perspective, I think this is going to be a very, you know, if you benchmark it versus its category peers and not necessarily versus kind of the med tech peers that they're currently – it'll have a very – it'll be a very differentiated asset whether you think about growth, mix. Yeah. The scientific capabilities it has, its growth prospects.
36. +0.61%23:15ManagementIt's going to be, as I said, the only pure play in this kind of healthy – in this kind of healthy nutrition. So I think this is going to be a very, very distinct asset. To your question on why now, history of shaping the company, I think that's one of the hallmarks of Abbott. And that's, I think, why we're still relevant today after 138 years is that we will look at shaping the portfolio. And that's, I think, why we're still relevant today after 138 years is that we will look at shaping the portfolio. To align to where we see the market trending and where we see clinical needs and problems to be solved occurring. But as you do that, you also need to be thinking about sequencing.
37. +0.61%23:56ManagementAnd I think sequencing is a key element as you think about, you know, shaping the portfolio. And there are very different elements of shaping. But for me, from an operational standpoint, I just think you need to be mindful of kind of organizational bandwidth and ability for the organization here to absorb. So, you know, we have an order of events in mind of how we're thinking about things. I think, you know, we identified, for example, you go back a couple years, like we identified precision diagnostics as the next area that we wanted to be a part of. So we announced our acquisition of Exact Sciences last year. The integration has gone great. Actually, I think we've done a lot of heavy lifting in these first six months. We've got a lot done.
38. +0.74%24:41ManagementI'm sure we'll talk about that, too. So I just think that now. Now is the right time, you know, to start that process of creating the new company. It's coming from a position of strength, as I said in my comment. I think I read a story that just came out, a headline that just came out on Barron's, who got it totally wrong. I'm just going to say it. I mean, it's coming out of a position of strength. And we've got a very sustainable growth model. If you look at the volume growth that Nutrition had this quarter and what we're projecting to have in the next few quarters, you know, it is significantly higher than what its peer set is, given the portfolio that we built and the segments that we're in. So the business has returned to growth. The pipeline is very healthy.
39. +2.64%25:25ManagementWe're bringing innovations to the market. There's going to be a lot of interesting innovation over the next kind of 12 months here. Got strong brands, experienced and very capable team. As I said in my comment, I specifically chose the term battle-tested because that's kind of what it felt like over the last four or five years. And if I had to pick a team to go into battle with in this Nutrition space, I'd pick that team. I think they've navigated very well everything that they've done and all the environment that they've operated in. So I think this is just a unique opportunity for us and for the Nutrition business. And I think you had a question on spin versus sell.
40. +1.70%26:07ManagementYeah, I mean, we just thought that this was, after we went through the analysis, you know, after you make a decision that it's probably going to operate better as an independent company, what's the right mechanism there to be able to position it to be a leading company and ultimately to drive shareholder value? And we just concluded that the spinoff here was absolutely the right approach. You know, a sale of a business like this, you know, as I said, we've been in this business since the 1960s. So you think about the sale, the sale is going to come with an obvious tax implication there. And then a timeline that... You know, it's not necessarily within, entirely within our control here.
41. +1.70%26:49ManagementSo I think these two factors might be a little bit prohibitive here for anybody that's got any interest. So, you know, we have no interest in selling the business, have no intention to selling, not even looking at selling it, and just think that spinoff is the better value creation for shareholders here. We've done a couple, obviously we've done a couple spinoffs in our history. Those have gone very well. Obviously different circumstances. Different, you know, times, different management teams. But I think one of the things that is clear to us in these processes is I think one of the big indications here of a successful spin,
42. +2.65%27:27ManagementI think a lot is attributed, I think, to a very highly group of Abbott people that, so to say, of the new company. And they instill a lot of kind of the Abbott kind of culture and the Abbott way of doing things into that business. And I think that helps set a strong... A strong foundation here. So, like I said, I think this is a unique opportunity. Growing demand for healthy nutrition. This will be a very differentiated asset here. And that's why I thought the spin was the better move here. So, and obviously we're going to be working over the next kind of 12 months here to be able to get ready for that.
43. +2.47%28:07ManagementAnd as we do with these, I think Robbie is, you know, we're obviously going to prepare to set up the nutrition company for success. It's also an opportunity for us to, you know, relook also at existing Abbott and, you know, looking at our cost profiles and things like that. It's going to be a great opportunity for us to, you know, to relook at everything from that perspective. So, I think I'm excited about this. I think this was a good process. I think we came to the right long-term strategic decision here. And now it's all about execution.
44. +2.47%28:42AnalystThanks a lot.
45. +2.47%28:45OperatorThank you. Our next question will come from Larry Beagleson from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
46. +2.47%28:54AnalystGood morning. Thanks for taking the question. Robert, congrats on the nutrition spin. Just confirm, please, that the NEC liability will remain with Abbott. That seems logical from what we've seen from other spins. And secondly, you know, can you please talk about the drivers of the revenue guidance reduction this year? It looks like it implies about 8% growth. What are the implications for the revenue reduction in Q4? And what are the implications for 2027?
47. +3.15%29:23ManagementThank you. Sure. I figured this question would come up, Larry. I thought it would come up a little bit down in the list here. But, well, I mean, I think, like you said, as it pertains to the announcement that we just made, you know, how to deal with litigation matters is, you know, it's a common topic when it comes to business separations. We're not the first company that's had to deal with this, like you said. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think. Actually, pretty clear that we don't need to fully resolve the litigation matters. It's not a prerequisite for completing the separation.
48. +3.15%29:58ManagementI'd say both Abbott and the new company are going to be well capitalized, well capitalized to pursue their respective growth opportunities, well capitalized to execute their respective capital allocation priorities that they might have, and also well capitalized to continue to defend the legal positions here. So I'll provide more details of that as we progress in terms of exactly where the liability will sit. But for me, both companies are going to be super well capitalized to be able to deal with that. At the same time, I think we continue to focus on achieving what we would want to be a logical and sensible kind of resolution.
49. +1.66%30:42ManagementYou saw we took Meaningful Step back in August when we settled 2000. We're still at 2000 claimants. But that settlement in no way reflects any change to the position that I've made here about these products, which is continue to stand behind their efficacy and safety. They remain essential components to neonatal care. They are a standard of care. I think if these products weren't available, I think you would see a little bit of a public health crisis there, and I think that view is supported by regulators and medical societies, including the FDA, NIH, CDC, and the FDA. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Nicholas. Thank you, мужч.
50. +1.81%31:18ManagementI think that's something that's not passed until now supporting the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics, so I think the litigation environment now is shifting a little bit, I would say, a little bit to our favor. We prevailed a lot in federal MDL cases, and there's going to be important decisions in both federal and state courts that have helped increase our positions. So we'll provide updates as we go through the process in terms of a little bit more specificity and details. But all I can say is it's not a prerequisite to resolve it before the separation and both companies are working. and both companies will be well capitalized to be able to deal with this. And then, sorry, what was your second question, Larry?
51. +1.81%31:54AnalystYeah, sorry. The revenue guidance reduction, I think, to 6% this year implies about 8% for Q4. What was the driver or drivers of the revenue reduction and implications for next year? Thank you.
52. +1.62%32:08ManagementSure, sure. Yeah, listen, our Q3 growth was in line with the expectation of 7%. We had the normal puts and takes, Larry, that you have when it comes to managing a large portfolio like us. We had two businesses that beat expectations, one business that met expectations, and then one business that missed expectations. So the reduction in Q4 for the full year around 6%, like you said, implies just north of 8%, which is at least accelerating. Versus where we were in Q3. But it's really driven by two businesses here, and I would characterize these as they're not kind of permanent changes to the growth rate.
53. +1.62%32:52ManagementIt's just adjusting based on kind of what we're seeing right now, which is EP and diabetes. So let me unpack that a little bit for you. In EP, we're facing some short-term headwind from the dynamics related to the LAA market. It's become an increasingly headwind to our EP growth. Not only due to the market challenges that I think a competitor has discussed pretty ample, but I'd say for us, so we saw that maybe with a quarter or two delayed versus where they were seeing it. And maybe that's just because of our size and market share position. But what was interesting is as soon as we got CE mark for the new LAA device,
54. +2.02%33:33Managementthere was almost like an immediate slowdown in orders here in the U.S., as I think accounts are. We're waiting for the new product. So that's probably a little bit different for us. So when I got that, I was like, really? And they were able to show me clearly kind of trends that we were seeing, even with the slowdown and the impact of that CE mark. So I expect that dynamic to be there in Q4. And I think that's going to be the last quarter where we're going to see this dynamic of accelerating kind of ablation business, being offset a little bit by this headwind here. I think as we bring in 360 to the market, I think we'll start to kind of reignite that growth and capture share.
55. +1.66%34:16ManagementAt least that's my goal. But listen, despite the headwind, as I said in the prepared comments, I think the quarter we acted with a lot of great momentum, continue to capture share in Europe. Europe growth was up 25 percent. And you have both combinations. You have both platforms there, Volt. And we're going to launch Volt in Japan sometime in the Q4. That's going to turn Japan from a headwind to a tailwind for us. Japan kind of followed very much a U.S. type model where there was very rapid adoption of PFA. So we're excited about coming to the market in the fourth quarter in Japan.
56. +1.66%34:58ManagementAnd I think Volt transitioned from limited market release to full market release in the U.S. in mid-August. So Q4, you'll have this kind of full quarter of the impact over there. And the product's doing very well. And I think that, yeah, I think people kind of the dynamics of what a limited market release is and then how you transition to far market release. And I explained why we do that for all of our products. So Tactiflex Duo, that came a little bit earlier than I expected. And as I said in the comments, this is one where the Tactiflex chassis, like I'll say, is widely used already.
57. +1.75%35:41ManagementSo we'll probably do a very short limited market. We'll probably do a very short limited market release here, very short, and then go to full launch already in Q4. So I think that's going to provide a lot of momentum here. So we've got a lot of catalysts lined up for our P business. So I think the impact of that is about five points of growth versus where we were previously around 25%. I think we'll be around 20% in Q4. But I still believe even with that number, we're going to be taking market share. So that's one of the drivers. The other driver is diabetes.
58. +0.11%36:15ManagementI think in the July call, Larry, I talked about that the CGM market had not seen a significant new reimbursement expansion for quite some time. And that led us to revise our diabetes growth outlook to high single. If I look into Q4 right now and probably for the next few quarters, then I expect that growth rate to be in kind of that low to mid single range. And that really is, that change really reflects, I think, two things. One of them is a little bit of a harder challenge in penetrating the type 2 population in absence of the reimbursement expansion. So that's probably one kind of key driver.
59. +0.11%36:58ManagementAnd like I said, that's going to be, you know, when we see the reimbursement expansion occur at CMS, then like I said, I think we'll see a very strong kind of reimbursement growth. So that's one element there, Larry. And I think the other element that we're seeing is a little bit more. We're seeing more pricing pressure in the international markets. And, you know, as you might know, you know, we have significant market share in the international markets. If you look at all the major countries, we'll range between 50 to 70 percent market share. And, you know, we've always expected there to be some pricing pressure, especially with the growth of the category and the excitement. And we've been, you know, internationally, I think you see a lot more competition.
60. -1.46%37:41ManagementAnd we've been very good. I think the team's done an excellent job through marketing, through clinical, through all the superior of the product over the last couple of years to be able to defend that. So I actually expect it to be a little bit more price pressure internationally a little bit earlier. So I think the team did a really good job there. But I think our pricing actions here that we're going to have to take internationally are going to kind of mute a little bit of the volume growth that we're seeing. And, you know, I think it would be a strategic mistake for us to lose market share based on price in these international markets. And, you know, we're not having to match the pricing, Larry.
61. -3.02%38:24ManagementBut, you know, I think we're having to adjust a little bit here as we go through this. And I think that's what I'm forecasting here over the next kind of few quarters is we'll make some pricing adjustments. As we do those, we're going to secure longer-term contracts and then also have language there. We're going to have a lot of language there. Regarding kind of expansions of patient populations also. So I think you have this dynamic here for a couple quarters in our diabetes business so that we can make sure that we can defend our market share position. And I think what you'll see then is kind of similar to the kind of decisions we've made in other parts of the portfolio where you have a little bit of an impact for a couple quarters and then you kind of reignite.
62. -3.34%39:08ManagementI don't think this is at all any issue with the market. I've been pretty adamant about, you know, the ability still for there to be lots of market penetration. But, I mean, we're not going to have our heads in the sand here and just think that you've got this great market and not expect there to be some price competition. The good thing for us, though, I would say is because of the scale that we built and because we've been planning for this and being ready for this, we're going to be able to offset kind of the margin impact of that, you know, through our COGS programs and the things that we've been doing in our manufacturing setup. So. So I think that's really the driver. But I would say if you look at we've got plenty of growth opportunities also, Larry.
63. -3.34%39:52ManagementSo when I kind of set that target of kind of low to mid, if I look at what we've got ahead of us, LibreDuo is going to launch. We really haven't launched that product yet. And I think that's going to be a nice growth driver for us next year. We're going to have a benefit here in the U.S. from a pretty significant payer formulary coverage that flipped in our favor. And that's going to go into effect January 1st. So there's a lot of growth opportunities that we've got in our diabetes business. Would I be surprised that we would do much better than that next year? It would not surprise me at all that we would do better. But at this point, I'd say we've got to make sure we get the pricing aspect right.
64. -3.26%40:33ManagementAnd then as we go through the year, we'll be factoring in some of these growth drivers and the implications that they have. So. So. If you think about 2027, then I think as you're looking at, OK, how does that how does that translate into 2027? I expect to see acceleration in our total company growth rate. And there's a lot of reasons why we would expect that. But I would say we're probably going to take a little bit more of a conservative approach here in terms of how we how we've guided historically, at least on the top line. We've maintained, I'd say, a pretty impressive track record for delivering on our EPS targets. I think if you go back. For the last six years, we've you know, we've met or beat our EPS targets every single quarter.
65. -3.35%41:17ManagementAnd if you look at the annual growth rate of those of what we've been doing for EPS, it's been around nine percent EPS growth. So I think we've been really good and strong over there as it relates to our top line. I think we've been very good. But I'd say the track record here in the last couple of quarters, especially during this year, has been a little bit more a little bit more inconsistent. Let's call it like that. And we fall in short. Some of the expectations. So I think I think for twenty twenty seven, I think we'll set our guidance. That's going to create opportunity for us to move up from there in January. I'm not going to give an official guidance here before January's call. But high level, I'd say forecasting sales to be, you know, as we come out of the gate, pretty similar to this year.
66. -1.54%42:02ManagementAnd I think that's just probably feels like the right place to start. And Larry, I say that while I acknowledge that we have a lot of new product launches. This. This year, there's a lot of carryover from the products we launched this year into next year. There's a lot of new products we're launching in twenty twenty seven. I get that there's probably some comps also, especially in the first half. So I get all that. And all of that would obviously say, hey, you're probably going to accelerate your twenty twenty seven growth versus your twenty twenty six. I strongly feel that that's going to be the case. But I said, you know, to start off, I think we'll take we'll take a little bit more of a. A different approach than what we've done in the past. And then we'll be able to kind of go up and move up from there.
67. -1.54%42:46ManagementThat being said, you know, we're still going to have great opportunity for gross margin and gross margin expansion. We're still going to have earnings growth. We're still going to be investing in our in our near and long term product pipelines. We're still going to be able to generate real strong cash flows. We'll grow our dividend, all the stuff that, you know, you would expect from Abbott. We're going to be doing all of that. But I think that's probably the prudent way to start the year. And that's going to give us the opportunity. Kind of move up through the as the year progresses.
68. -0.91%43:14AnalystSuper helpful. Thank you.
69. -0.91%43:18OperatorThank you. Our next question will come from Patrick Wood from UBS. Your line is open. Beautiful.
70. -0.91%43:26AnalystThank you so much for the question. I really appreciate it. I'd love to start on the pipeline and really just dig into that, because obviously, you know, you've got conduction system pacing midterm. I'm a 360, you know, probably 200 billion of biologic drugs going through L.O.E. There's obviously a lot midterm that's going on. And so I guess my question is in two parts. A, you know, how do you feel about the forward pipeline today compared to the forward pipeline in the past? How would you rate it? And B, you know, as you're thinking about it, not asking you to pick your favorite children, but what do you feel like either gets missed by the market or less attention, but something that's really on your radar and very personally, you know, a big sort of focus area for you?
71. -1.95%44:07ManagementThanks. Sure. I mean, I love all of our innovations. Pat. So I don't think you get that. You're going to get me to go there. But I would say, listen, I think the market recognizes the pipeline that Abbott's built. I don't think that there is a misunderstanding of what we're assembling over here. So, you know, we can talk about those, but I don't think there's like some misunderstanding. I think it's clearly visible to investors that we've got multiple shots we're developing across all of our businesses. Yeah. And some of them will do better than others. But I think all of them will have great contributions to our growth rate. And, yeah, all we need is one or two to kind of completely blow it out. And it kind of changes the entire trajectory.
72. -1.95%44:51ManagementBut we're building a pipeline of products organically here that, you know, we're anticipating what our customers need and we're making those investments. If you look at the R&D spend for Abbott pre-COVID, I mean, we were averaging around, you know, $1.7, $1.8 billion. We're crossing $3 billion. We're crossing this year. And we'll be increasing that into next year, which was kind of to my comment in 2027. We're going to continue to make our investments. We're going to continue to expand margins. And we can do all that because of how the portfolio is positioned into these very high growth, high margin, you know, and, quite frank, a lot of clinical problems to solve. So I think you mentioned a couple of them there.
73. -1.93%45:36ManagementYou know, I've talked about some of them. I'm excited about the, you know, you mentioned. You mentioned right off the get-go the Avera CSP that's going into trial right now, the conduction system pacing leadless product. You know, I'm excited about that because our goal is to, you know, completely change how pacemakers have been used in the past. And I think, you know, our leadless technology shows that that is possible. And we're looking about really building a kind of sustained, you know, sustained growth rate. Many people didn't think that CRM was a growth business. But we're showing that, you know, with good innovation, good insights. Good relationships with the KOLs, we can drive that. I'm excited about the Mitral replacement valve.
74. -1.55%46:18ManagementYou know, I've spent some time close to that program, probably a little bit more closer than others, and had opportunity to interact with the KOLs. And I know because I've seen how these things play out. I can read people in terms of how they talk about innovations. And you can tell sometimes when an innovation is good and it'll compete well. And you can tell when a KOL tells you that this is. You know, it's really going to be a game changer. And it's going to change kind of the standard. And I think our Cephia program is going to do that. We've got a balloon expandable TAVR valve going in. We've got, you know, IVL programs, you know, on the MedTech. We've got neuromodulation kind of investments that we're making also. We're making investments in our Libre platform, not just on a new diabetes sensor,
75. -1.50%47:02Managementbut also looking at how to use the platform that we've built, the manufacturing, the technology platform, to expand into other analytes. And we're going to go into trial with a laxative. And we're going to go into trial with a laxative. And we're going to go into trial with a laxative. But I can tell you there's at least five or six that the team is really excited that we're funding and that we're working on. Will all of them hit? Probably not. But if two or three hit, it'll be incredible, I think, to be able to kind of leverage that. So I think you mentioned the biosimilars in our EPD business. I mean, yeah, there's a significant amount of LOE that's happening in the biologic space. And a lot of these products aren't available in these emerging markets by, you know, decisions from, you know, from the originators.
76. -1.50%47:44ManagementSo this is going to be a huge opportunity for us to leverage the regulatory, the government, the physician, the distribution relations that we'll have to bring these products on. And, you know, you've got this business that's been growing at least for the last five years, you know, between 7.5% and 8% pretty consistently every single quarter. I think that that is going to be very exciting also. So and then on top of that, we're going to get into a bunch of new tests, a new personalized, diagnostic tests with, you know, with our cancer diagnostic business. Extremely, we're going to be reporting data on our MRD test at ESMO. I'm extremely excited about that test.
77. -0.64%48:24ManagementAnd I think it's going to provide us an opportunity also to start to be a player or at least to compete effectively in that segment of the market. So I'm sure I'm missing a bunch out already, too. But I'd say there is a deliberate effort. I think that we're going to be working with the entire management team here to make sure that, you know, as we find sometimes challenges and we have to look at our operational expenses, that R&D is really never an area that we're going to touch because we feel that our productivity in that, you know, even with a 7% profile, we're getting a lot of productivity out of the pipeline. So I think that that is ultimately the lifeline that is going to be the growth driver for us.
78. +0.23%49:10ManagementI'm sure that's... Somebody in my team has got a map. I'm sure that our team has a map that lists out all the products between, you know, 28, 29, 30, 31. And those are all projects that we're constantly looking at, looking at ways to accelerate them, looking at ways to make them better. So we feel very good about our pipeline. At the same time, you know, we don't suffer from the syndrome of not invented here. We never have. Do I prefer to have more of my organic innovation? Are innovations being organic? I do. But we've got plenty of capacity also to be able to kind of add to the portfolio. And if we see opportunities to do that, we'll do that.
79. +0.23%49:50ManagementI've talked about, you know, probably going forward, at least for the foreseeable future here in the short term, there'll probably be more tuck-in deals. But we can do all that. We can have organic innovation and we can also look externally. And I think external partners look at Avid as like, okay, this is a company that can actually make these innovations, you know, really impactful and global. And I think that's a really good position there, too. So pipeline is super healthy. And if my R&D team is listening to this, they'll probably say, yes, we could probably use more. They probably have a bunch of projects under the line. And that's good, too. But I think we're investing in all the right areas to be able to sustain our growth.
80. -1.17%50:31OperatorLove the color. Thanks so much. Thank you. Our next question will come from Matt Taylor from Jefferies. Your line is open.
81. -1.17%50:42AnalystHi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I was hoping we could spend a minute or two on diagnostics and focus on cancer diagnostics and the trends there. Looks like you did a little bit better this quarter, but I know you're hoping for a step up into the mid-teens. Could you just touch on the dynamics with Cologuard, the rest of the business, and maybe give us some thoughts on Frino?
82. +0.12%51:04ManagementSure. Yeah, so we were, you know, we grew 14%. I think consensus was just north of that, like 15, 15.5%. Yeah. So it came a little bit short. Was I expecting to do higher than both those numbers? You bet I was. I'd say the biggest driver of that delta versus expectation there was the cybersecurity event that we had in July. That caused us to lose a little bit of momentum. I think you see a lot of companies, including a few of our healthcare peers, have had to deal with that. Some of them with, I'd say, worse outcomes. I think they're more likely to lose than what we went through. I think the team did a really good job.
83. +0.12%51:48ManagementI mean, if you think about, you know, an integration process, dealing with a cyber attack is not on the menu. And I think that the guys did an incredible job to be able to mitigate that. When they did bring me the forecast and they talked about, well, the cyber had an impact, you know, I, as you would expect, I had to double click on that. And we saw a couple of accounts, Matt, because of the connectivity in the system, the way we're connected to the system. We saw a couple systems, you know, shut the connectivity down until we could, you know, bring them evidence that, hey, everything was up to speed. So then when you do that, then you're reverting back to faxes and emails and stuff like that. So there were notable kind of drops.
84. -0.61%52:30ManagementBut then as soon as the systems were turned right back on, you saw that they pop right back up. So that, you know, those blips, which lasted about seven to ten days, that caused us about a point of growth. So, yeah, I expected to do better than what we delivered. But still, and I know the team did also, but I think they did a really good job managing that. But I think that the growth is great. I think we're seeing, you know, I'm really pleased with the integration and kind of how things are going. Coligard grew mid-teens and continues to accelerate. We're seeing growth in new users, which is really, really good.
85. -0.96%53:13ManagementIt's really important to be able to show that growth in new users. Obviously, the re-screen business is doing very well. The international growth rate is happening. The CareGap program is growing also. It's definitely a growth segment for us. It's just probably a little bit harder to forecast. And I'm learning a little bit more about the difficulties in that forecasting right now. You know, we obviously build a plan as to when we're going to send these orders out. Obviously, the... The insurance companies and the health systems will determine when they want that out. And sometimes that, you know, sometimes, you know, they're managing their expenses.
86. -0.96%53:51ManagementBut it's very clear to me that the need for these programs in place so that it feeds into their star ratings and into all of their Medicare CMS rebates is super important. And they value this hugely. It's really a question of timing. But we had good growth in our CareGap programs, too. So I'd say... You know, from a top-line perspective, I feel very good about, you know, where this business is going. And it's doing everything that we expected it to do. I'm excited about the pipeline also. You mentioned the, you know, the CRC blood test. I mean, we just...
87. -0.57%54:34ManagementIt literally was, Matt, I think it was like September 30th that they started kind of sending out the emails and starting to promote it. And I think it's a really good thing. I think it's a really good thing. I think it's a really good thing. And all of that. So it really didn't have much impact in Q3. Do I think it's going to have a contribution to our growth rate? Yeah, it will. Obviously, the ASP to that product is higher than the ASP that we have for Cologuard. So that's going to be a growth driver for us also. You know, it's obviously got a different margin profile as we're working with a partner. But we've factored all that in, not only in our deal model, but as we're going forward. You know, I think it's going to play an important role.
88. +0.28%55:16ManagementDo I think it's the preferred test? No, I don't. And nor does the medical societies, the cancer society, and a lot of the standard of care recommendations to go with stool first for a lot of reasons, but predominantly because you've got a better performance in earlier detection, and ultimately that's what screening is all about. You're trying to detect early. So, yeah. But it does play a role in the portfolio, and I think that gives us the opportunity, as I said in my comments, we're really positioning ourselves here as the only company that has, you know, the broadest portfolio with both blood-based and stool-based testing.
89. +0.28%55:57ManagementAnd I think that puts us at an advantage as we talk to all the different value players, all the different stakeholders in the value chain. I think that puts us in the position of, okay, we've got all the different technologies here to be able to do that. So, yeah. So, I feel good about the test. I think it's going to be an important test to have in the bag, especially for those that, you know, aren't doing anything. So, maybe this could be used as a way to get them to start to think about it since it's pretty convenient. But, you know, we've just got to be – how these things are promoted and how the accuracy
90. +0.13%56:39Managementof the information that's being portrayed to the consumer is, you know, is complete and transparent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's going to get better. It's got to get better. It will get better. It's just right now the detection on the precancerous lesion side is not as good as what Cologuard is. And then, as I said also, I think the MRD test that we're going to be presenting at ESMO, I think that's going to be a great opportunity. So, pipeline's doing good. The international business, you know, the opportunity to bring this technology international, we've been doing a lot of great work over there. We've already selected the markets that we're going to go to. are going to go after. And they wouldn't be what you would typically expect those markets to be, but they're the markets that we feel will have the biggest impact. But I'll tell you what I'm
91. +0.11%57:22Managementreally impressed is kind of the progress we're making from a margin perspective. We're able to do all this, grow the business, invest in the pipeline, and really kind of also change the trajectory of the profitability there. So if you looked at this business and its operating margin profile before we acquired it, it had just turned slightly positive. We're exiting the Q3 with an operating margin profile in the high teens already with this business. So I think that's very positive also that we can drive the top line and also drive the bottom line. As I've always said, EPS for us does matter. Yes, we do care about the top line, but EPS also matters. And I
92. +0.59%58:03Managementthink the teams have been able to do both of those. So overall, I think the business is going well. And we've got a lot of growth opportunities ahead of us, whether it's with existing products, expanding to different areas, segments, countries, or bringing new products to the market also.
93. +0.59%58:19AnalystGreat. Thanks so much for that answer. Appreciate it.
94. +0.59%58:24OperatorThank you. Our next question will come from Vijay Kumar from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.
95. +0.59%58:31AnalystHi, Robert. Good morning. And thank you for taking my question. I have two questions. Maybe I'll ask both of them up front. One on a follow-up on this exact, did Coligard 2.0, the next-gen Coligard, did the reimbursement get cut, Robert? And what's the ASB for this blood test rate? It feels like exact should accelerate. And then my second question was fiscal 27. Thanks for the color and top line, but are you still, should we still be aiming for
96. -0.28%59:01Managementdouble-digit EPS growth? Thank you. Yeah, sure. Let's talk about your first question regarding Coligard 2.0. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. Coligard 2.0 is a new test. So the process for setting CMS reimbursement is a little bit different versus tests that have been on the market for a while. We've been in active discussions with CMS. Conversations have been very productive. I'll just say the following. I find it very hard to imagine that when the process is done, that the reimbursement rate for Coligard 2.0 would go down. And I'm just going to leave it at that. It is an interesting process. Very different, I would say, from
97. -0.28%59:45Managementkind of NCDs and some of the med tech kind of process. So it is a new, it's a little bit of a new process for us. But like I said, I'd be very surprised if that were to happen. I think you asked about the price of our blood test. Yeah, I'm not going to divulge that because for obvious competitive reasons, you know, there's a lot of people who are going to be going to be going to the hospital. There's a lot of people who are going to be going to the hospital. There's a lot of people who are going to be going to the hospital. There is a, you know, there's somewhat of a kind of price that's been set by the market right now. You know, we have an opportunity here to think about, you know, broad adoption of the technology. You know, I find it difficult to believe that you'll get, you know, kind of, you know, the kind of
98. -0.39%60:29Managementuptake in any kind of blood type test, you know, at these rates. Yeah, they'll show good growth rates and you'll penetrate, you know, a very small part of the market and you'd be able to show, you know, but I think that for this market to really expand and now I'm going beyond just kind of simple screen. I'm just talking about it just more holistically. If we're going to want to see this type of testing become kind of standard of care, you know, and there's going to be a very large amount of, at least in this country, forecasts is that, you know, 40% of adults are going to have some level of cancer. If you're going to have an impact and using diagnostics as a
99. +0.16%61:11Managementway to kind of help eradicate and bring down these rates and increase the, like, there needs to be a much broader adoption and you're not going to be able to get that broader adoption with the kind of pricing strategies that are being applied today. So we're being mindful of that and we're thinking about that. We're in discussions with payers and we're really looking at how do we compose a full portfolio of cancer diagnostic solutions for those that are paying for it. So that's what I'll say about price. Right now. And then what was your other question?
100. +0.16%61:47AnalystDouble digit EPS for Fiscal 27.
101. +0.16%61:49ManagementYeah, I get that you guys are going to start to try and triangulate as much as you can there. Like I said, I'm not going to give kind of total guidance from on this call. We're probably going to do that in January. All I'll say is I gave a little bit of how we're thinking about our top line. But like, I said, we're going to have EPS growth. We're going to have gross margin expansion. We're going to have all the things you would expect and probably leave the actual specific guidance range for EPS and all other elements, cash flow, all of that. We'll leave that
102. +0.27%62:26Operatorto January. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question will come from Travis Steed from B of A Securities. Your line is open.
103. +0.27%62:39AnalystHey, everybody. At TCT in a couple of weeks, we've got AMULET 360 pivotal data and coronary IVL pivotal data. Just curious anything you'd say on that and then, you know, how quickly those products can launch. It seems like doctors are already waiting on. Yeah, so you got two important
104. -0.35%63:04Managementreadouts for us at TCT this year. I think we'll have more. But yeah, I know those will gain a lot of attention. I mean, I'm not going to preface what the data is going to say. We'll wait for the investigators to kind of, you know, lay out that information. But I think, you know, these are I think we showed 45 data, 45 day data at the Boston meeting back in January, Travis, for our for our LAA device. And I think that's a I think that's a kind of good benchmark to have there regarding the market. Yeah, I mean, I, you know, we
105. -0.35%63:44Managementstarted to feel some of these challenges, I'd say, you know, maybe one or two quarters after after the market leader. And, you know, I think that the way to the way to counter that is, you know, there's there's definitely an opportunity here still to to educate this opportunity to make continued clinical investments to be able to show the technology. Obviously, the market leader has been doing that. But but so have we. I mean, we're going to have a readout of our trial not next year, but probably the year after that on our on our trial versus NOACs. And I just think you've got to keep on.
106. +0.26%64:24ManagementKeep on investing is clearly a benefit here for for the patients and the health systems. They want this. We are investing in a lot of stroke prevention technologies. This is one. It's it's it's obviously the one that gets a lot of a lot of attention. But we probably have another two or three products that are in early stage in our venture arms that we're also kind of working on, because I think this is just going to be a need, a continued need. So I think the market is going to is going to continue to grow. And that's why we're going to continue to invest in it in terms of our ability to, you know, forecast how much I'll let you guys, you know, you'll probably do your your checks with physicians and, you know, and try and triangulate that. I'll let you guys kind of decide what that's going to be.
107. +0.39%65:09ManagementBut, you know, we we think we've got a very competitive product that not only has added some ease of use to its implant, but it also maintains what we believe is a superior seal technology there. So. So, yeah, we feel good about it. And I think on I think you had on the IVL. Yeah, I think this is an interesting category. You know, it's a it's a it's a billion dollar plus market that's growing. You know, we didn't have to spend over 10 billion dollars to get an asset like this. We did it through our acquisition of CSI team. It took over the project, did some modifications, really good work by the team and our partner. And, you know,
108. +0.39%65:53Managementwe filed for we filed for at least for the coronary side. We filed for approval. I don't know exactly when, but I know we're expecting it sometime in the sometime in the first half. And maybe maybe maybe we might surprise on the earlier side there. But I think we feel good about it. Adding that to the portfolio. I think the vascular team is really looking forward to this. I think you've seen that we've been able to accelerate our growth from kind of a negative flat business to like now consistently. Delivering mid single digits. And I think this just adds to the ability to kind of accelerate growth in our vascular business, too. So and I think we'll start our we'll start our peripheral IVL trial at the end of the year. So so those two products, you know, we'll add
109. -0.15%66:38Managementto the growth rate in our vascular business. One more question, please. Thank
110. -0.15%66:47Operatoryou. Our last question will come from Joanne Wunsch from Citi. Your line is open.
111. -0.15%66:54AnalystGood morning and thank you so much for taking the question. And congrats on the nutrition spin. Briefly, can you comment on potential reimbursement from CMS for non-intensive type two for CGM use? And a quick follow up. Does anything in your pending spin of nutrition impact any of your other strategic plans
112. -0.16%67:18Managementsuch as future M&A? Thanks. Sure. I have a question how we would characterize, but I know it's a big question, which is, you know, when do we expect the type two non insulin user reimbursement, CMS reimbursement to kick in? I'm just going to be consistent here, Joanne, is I'm not going to try and forecast that. What I can say is that the clinical data is significant. It is very real. I know that there are many, many in those that are making those decisions that believe in the value of data, of predictive data, of using continuous
113. +0.01%68:03Managementdata to be able to kind of shape behavior. I've said this multiple times. You know, CGMs, they are a behavior modification tool. They're not doing anything to your body. They're not changing any of the biology, anything in there. They're just giving you information. And there's a lot of people that believe that that information is valuable to change behavior, especially with type two non insulin using patients. And the clinical data that has been presented has shown that the same way the clinical data with basal patients has shown that, too. There is definitely support for it. There's a clinical support. But trying to forecast exactly when that's going to happen, I am not going to do that.
114. +0.01%68:46ManagementI am not going to say that it is embedded in a forecast for next year. Right now, what I can say is I'm not really factoring it in, but I know that when it does kick in, like we've seen this in the past, acceleration happens. And when that happens, I think that what we're doing is preparing ourselves to be in the best possible position. It is a different channel, right? You're not in the diabetes endoclinics. You're in primary care. This is a different – it's a different field of play, and we've been investing in that field for quite some time now. So I think we'll be in a good position to be able to capitalize on that. But trying to forecast it, I'm not going to try and do that, Joanne.
115. +0.02%69:27ManagementBut I can say that the momentum – to be able to do it, the clinical support, all of that is all in place. It's really a question as to when that's going to happen. I'm sure you maybe have read the comments, the open comment period. There's plenty of support. It's just really an opportunity here as to when that's going to happen. And then what was your second question again?
116. +0.02%69:54AnalystIt had to do with the nutrition span and if it impacts any of the other changes in M&A, et cetera.
117. +0.28%70:00ManagementYeah, thanks.
118. +0.28%70:01AnalystIt's the M&A question.
119. +0.28%70:02ManagementIt's the M&A question. That's fine. All right. Listen, the answer to that is a big no. It has no kind of impact. If anything, I'd say once we go through that, I think it even strengthens it even more. Our balance sheet is in very good, great shape. We've got a lot of flexibility. You know our philosophy here of taking more of a balanced approach. I'm not going to give you percentages of how much goes there, how much – but we take a balanced approach. We'll grow the dividend next year. We've got probably the last big tower of debt. We're going to have a big pay down related to the St. Jude and Allure acquisitions will occur this year. And then we have very few kind of debt payments in the couple of years following that. So I think we'll be in a good position there.
120. +0.28%70:47ManagementWe'll have opportunity for buyback. We've got plenty of dry powder there. On the M&A side, yeah, I mean I said this last time. We're obviously focusing on the exact integration. I think the team has done an amazing job. At the speed at which they've done this is really good. Our net debt is really good. We're going to have a lot of debt. The EBITDA is going to be around two times. So we still have plenty of capacity. But I would say as we look around, it's probably more in the tuck-in range than it is on kind of more transformative, I would say, just because I'm not sure I see anything that's terribly exciting out there right now, at least kind of in that kind of startup kind of mode.
121. +0.76%71:31ManagementI think there's some really early stage stuff that we're very excited about. And that we're investing in from a venture perspective. But we've got plenty of opportunity. And if there's going to be, and if the opportunity aligns with the right moment and sequencing, like I said, we've got capacity to do that. But I'd say they're probably more tuck-in than anything else. So, no, that doesn't affect our ability to continue to grow the dividend, you know, invest in our organic opportunities and do M&A too. So I think we're in good shape. So I know I've gone over here. And I expected to go over. So I appreciate everybody kind of hanging in there.
122. +0.89%72:10ManagementI'd say, listen, we had a very good quarter, delivered an acceleration on the top and the bottom line. I think to one of the questions that was asked there, you know, as I've said, innovation is the key differentiator at Abbott. And, you know, we don't want to be overly reliant on one or two products. We've got opportunities across all of our businesses. And we've got multiple new businesses. We've got multiple new product approvals they're going to carry into next year. We're going to have product launches that are going to go into it that are going to occur in next year and will ramp up in next year. So I think that that is probably our biggest driver of sustainability here is our pipeline is very healthy.
123. +0.89%72:50ManagementTeams are doing a great job at navigating what I would say is a pretty volatile environment right now around the globe. And teams have done an incredible job there. And I think they're going to continue to do that job. And they continue to be motivated and inspired by the work that we're doing. And, you know, we took this pretty big important step here towards shaping the future. And I think that's how one needs to look at this is, you know, we're not making, you know, quarterly decisions here. We're looking ahead to the next five, ten years and what's the right portfolio to assemble. And I think the opportunity that's going to be ahead of this nutrition company is going to be pretty significant. And I'm excited for them. But I'm also excited for the Abbott portfolio.
124. +0.57%73:33ManagementSo thanks for being on the call. Thank you all for your questions. This now concludes Abbott's conference call. A webcast replay of this call will be available after 11 a.m. Central time today on our website at Abbott.com. Thank you all for joining us. Thank you.
125. +0.57%73:50OperatorThis concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.