UPS Q3 '26

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   “Growth was strong in all three segments, and we delivered operating profit and margin expansion in our small.”

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2. 208:50 ETprepared▼ -0.94%

   “The maturity contribution of $450 million of UPS bonds to our pension asset portfolio.”

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   “And based on their forecast, we expect average daily volume to increase approximately 25% from the third quarter to the fourth quarter.”

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   “Additionally, the driver buyout, the roughly 1,600 people, finished exiting at the end of the third quarter, so you get the full wrap of that, and obviously all the buildings now exited.”

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   “Exceeded our expectations in consolidated revenue, to $22.9 billion, up 6.7% from last year.”

1. -0.09%0:00OperatorGood morning. My name is Matthew, and I'll be your facilitator today. I'd like to welcome everyone to the UPS Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent background noise, and after the speaker's remarks, there'll be a question and answer period. Any analysts who want to ask a question, now is the time to press star then one on your telephone keypad. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Mr. P.J. Guido, Investor Relations Officer. Sir, the floor is yours.
2. -0.09%0:31ManagementWe file with a 100 strength of our 40 years at our Cologne Air Hub in Germany,
3. +0.30%2:38Management35 years in Mexico, and 25 years of flying into China. These milestones represent decades of service across these markets and customers strengthening our company and moving UPS forward every day. Exceeded our expectations in consolidated revenue, to $22.9 billion, up 6.7% from last year. Consolidated operating profit was $2.1 billion.
4. +0.10%3:23ManagementBig segment delivered its second consecutive quarter of strong year-over-year operating profit growth, increasing over 14% versus the third quarter of last year. The inflection point on several key elements of our strategy, with clear evidence in our volume, margin, performance, and performance, increased by 1.8% year-over-year. For the second consecutive quarter,
5. +0.33%4:03Managementrevenue per piece growth, contributing to 60 basis points of year-over-year operating margin expansion in the third quarter. The 2025 U.S. trade policy changes. On the second quarter, across the China to U.S. and Asia to Asia trade lanes continued in the third quarter, supported by investments in the U.S. and China. The U.S. trade policy changes in the second quarter, by investments in the U.S. and China. The U.S. trade policy changes in the second quarter, supported by investments in the U.S. and China. The U.S. trade policy changes in the U.S. and China. In addition, U.S. inbound volume rebounded in September, further strengthening our third quarter performance.
6. +0.33%4:51ManagementAndrew Levy, director, Trans 고 cabeza de gastos, grew revenue year-over-year, driven by demand from customers and high-tech healthcare manufacturing. I don't want to show that our strategy is working. We're driving more premium growth, improving revenue quality and mix, and creating greater operating leverage through a more efficient network. is strengthening the underlying performance of our business. In September, we announced a new global operating model. Under our new model, Matt Guffey leads our U.S. domestic businesses, including small package and growth enablers like the UPS Store, UPS Capital,
7. +0.08%5:34ManagementRody, Happy Returns, and Mail Innovations. Matt is responsible for international small package, global health care, and our forwarding and logistics business. And Nando Cesarone drives our global network, leading global air, network automation, and surface transportation operations that power our integrated network. This new model enables UPS to serve customers with greater consistency, agility, and scale. Under this approach, UPS is standardizing critical operational processes across geographies while maintaining the flexibility necessary to meet the unique requirements of the UPS system.
8. -0.20%6:16ManagementThe new model will unlock new synergies across our businesses and accelerate premium growth. A good example of this alignment can be seen in the UPS Store, Happy Returns, and UPS Capital. Approximately 10% of total U.S. small package volume originates through the UPS Store network, and that volume has grown by roughly 6% annually since 2024. Through Happy Returns, SMB and enterprise customers can offer consumers a convenient no-box, no-label returns experience. And every Happy Returns package flows through the UPS Small Package Network.
9. -0.17%7:00ManagementBy the end of this year, Happy Returns volume is expected to have more than tripled since we acquired them in 2023. UPS Capital extends our value proposition beyond transportation. Through solutions like UPS Secure Commerce, we use data and data-based data processing to create a more secure and efficient UPS. We use data and AI to help customers reduce fraud, protect high-value shipments, and make smarter, more informed supply chain decisions. We're focused on helping customers solve increasingly complex global supply chain needs while expanding our premium B2B business. For the 15th, we officially opened our new air hub at Clark International Airport in the Philippines,
10. -0.17%7:45Managementimproving transit times across more than 1,100 trade lanes, and enabling next businesses to be able to use our new air hub. We're also expanding our business day connectivity between key markets in Asia Pacific, India, Europe, and the United States. This investment strengthens our ability to serve customers in premium global industries such as manufacturing, high tech, and healthcare. In Europe, we recently added a 129,000 square foot multifunctional facility to our network. Strategically located in Amsterdam, the facility brings freight forwarding, customs brokerage, and a large number of other services. We're also expanding our B2B business and also expanding our healthcare chain capabilities together under one roof.
11. -0.42%8:27ManagementWe designed this facility to support our high-value B2B service. Before we turn to peak, let me highlight our third quarter performance in two important growth areas, healthcare and SMBs. Healthcare revenue exceeded $3 billion for the third consecutive quarter, with year-over-year growth in every segment. Second, SMBs, including platforms, represented 35.7 billion dollars of growth, 1% of total U.S. volume in the third quarter, up approximately 240 basis points from last year.
12. -0.43%9:04ManagementIn the U.S., SMB average daily volume grew 3.7% year-over-year, driven by continued momentum in our digital access program, and global DAP revenue reached $1.4 billion. Importantly, the DAP mix continued to shift toward more premium volume. For the first time, air services and ground commercial represented nearly 30% of total DAP volume in the third quarter. Turning to the holiday season, U.S. consumers remain resilient, and the outlook for holiday demand is strong.
13. -0.43%9:44ManagementIndustry forecasts for holiday online retail sales project an average increase of approximately 9% compared to last year. A little over 100 U.S. customers. Account for approximately 80% of our peak surge. And based on their forecast, we expect average daily volume to increase approximately 25% from the third quarter to the fourth quarter. That sequential increase is consistent with last year. However, fourth quarter U.S. average daily volume is expected to be lower year-over-year, reflecting the deliberate actions we took earlier in the year to reduce Amazon volume. As we head into the next quarter, we're going to look at the U.S. average daily volume.
14. -1.82%10:25ManagementAs we head into peak, our network is more automated, more efficient, and better positioned than ever to handle the holiday surge. We'll add variable capacity where needed. But the investments we've made in our network enable us to operate with fewer vehicle rentals and aircraft leases. And nearly 70% of all packages will flow through an automated process. As we've discussed, we are moving from a scanning to a sensing network. Our RFID kickers are the most important. Our capabilities are increasing productivity with little to no scanning, while improving package visibility and on-time delivery.
15. -3.67%11:04ManagementBy the end of the year, we expect to have delivered more than 4 billion RFID-enabled packages. Beyond being ready operationally, we're also finding new ways to make the holiday experience better for our customers. We're also looking at protected delivery, which adds an extra layer of security for high-value shipments by requiring a more secure and secure delivery. And we're adding a little holiday-themed express delivery. We're adding a little holiday-themed express delivery. We are ready for peak. And while on-time service is important every day of the year, it matters even more during peak
16. -3.67%11:46Managementwhen our customers are counting on us to deliver for their customers. We've been the industry leader in on-time service during peak for the past eight years. And with our network, our know-how, and the commitment of UPSers, we're ready to make it not. We're ready to make it not. Let me share our updated outlook for the year. We expect the momentum we built to continue, giving us the confidence to raise our full-year outlook. For the full year of 2026, we now expect consolidated revenue of approximately $92.6 billion and consolidated operating profit of approximately $8.75 billion.
17. -3.62%12:29ManagementBrian will provide more details on our outlook in a moment. Let me close with this. Real change takes courage to pivot when the path you've been on is familiar. It takes courage to make difficult choices when you know there will be pain along the way. And it takes conviction to stay the course before the results are fully visible. We've experienced all of that. We're seeing the strategy come to life. We're seeing the proof points in our business. And we're proving something we believed in from the beginning. It's been bigger. We still have work to do.
18. -3.32%13:11ManagementBut we've moved through an important inflection point. We know where we're going. We have momentum behind us. And I couldn't be more confident in the future we're building for UPS. Our performance over the last two quarters demonstrates that our premium growth strategy is working, positioning us to return to revenue, operating profit, and EPS growth for the full year 2026. We're momentum building. We expect to continue. We're making progress. So with that, thank you for listening. And now I'll turn the call over to Brian. Thank you, Carol. And good morning, everyone. This morning I'll cover two areas, starting with our third quarter results.
19. -3.32%13:56ManagementThen I'll review our outlook for the full year, including capital allocation and our expectations for the fourth quarter. Our results in the third quarter demonstrate that our strategy is translating into stronger financial performance. By growing premium volume, improving revenue quality, and running a strong portfolio, we're able to move forward. We're also looking to improve our financial performance. We're looking to improve our financial performance. By running a more efficient network, we are strengthening the underlying performance of the business. Growth was strong in all three segments, and we delivered operating profit and margin expansion in our small. It was $22.9 billion, an increase of 6.7%, and operating profit was $2.1 billion.
20. -3.31%14:37ManagementConsolidated operating margin was 9%, and diluted earnings per share were $1.69. Quarter results included gains from asset sales, partially offset by related expenses. On a net basis... Okay. Push through. were not a significant driver of the outperformance versus our expectations. Quality and converted that growth into higher operating margin. SMB and enterprise customers exceeded our expectations.
21. -1.45%15:28ManagementQuarter of last year was flat year-over-year. Down 3.3% versus the third quarter of last year, reflecting the deliberate actions we took earlier in the year to reduce Amazon volume. Rich daily volume of 3.7% year-over-year, with growth coming from nearly all industries, including healthcare.
22. -1.45%16:00ManagementSMBs represented a more premium volume from industries and customers that deliver better overall economics. $14.9 billion in revenue, 5% year-over-year average daily volume.
23. -0.33%16:50ManagementBase rates and customers increased 3.9% versus the third quarter of last year, with the increase primarily coming from fuel driver choice programs, 60 basis points higher than the growth in cost per piece, continuing the positive spread between the two, and reflecting our focus on revenue quality and productivity delivered by our network reconfiguration efforts.
24. +0.06%17:34ManagementThe domestic segment delivered over $1 billion in operating profit, a 14.3% increase from last year. Operating margin was 7%, an increase of 60 basis points compared to the third quarter of last year. International delivered strong revenue growth and returned a year-over-year operating profit growth for the first time in six quarters. Our annual average daily volume declined 8.7% compared to the third quarter of last year, primarily due to geopolitical tensions. Our improved financial results were driven by strong growth in the last quarter, strong revenue quality, and a favorable geographic mix,
25. -1.12%18:20Managementwith the year-over-year rate of decline improving each month, and September volume finishing well above July levels. Inbound U.S. volume, which represents many of our most profitable trade lanes, returned a year-over-year growth in September, and Asia-to-Asia export volume increased for the third consecutive quarter, up 8.4% in the third quarter compared to last year, $5 billion in revenue, 0.1% year-over-year. Revenue growth was driven by the increase in revenue growth, by a 15% year-over-year increase in revenue per piece, with around half of the increase coming from fuel rates. Our charges helped offset higher fuel expense in the quarter
26. -0.66%19:02Managementand preserve operating profit expectations at 14.9%, and slightly above the third quarter of last year. The FCS solutions delivered strong revenue growth year-over-year, driven by a focus on premium volume from high-tech, healthcare, manufacturing, and automotive customers.
27. -0.66%19:35Management$59 million versus last year, percent year-over-year. MyChain Solutions, generated an operating profit of $274 million,
28. -0.94%20:20Managementand operating margin was 9.2%. This is a $330 million gain from a sale-leaseback transaction.
29. -0.94%20:32ManagementThe maturity contribution of $450 million of UPS bonds to our pension asset portfolio. The contribution of UPS bonds to the pension further strengthened the plan's funding
30. +0.02%21:16Managementand our pension investment strategy of reducing volatility. A meaningfully stronger second half exceeded our expectations in the trajectory we established at the start of the year. We are raising our fourth quarter, and we are looking to increase our revenue growth. We are raising our fourth quarter, and we are looking to increase our revenue growth. We are raising our fourth quarter, and we are looking to increase our revenue growth. We are raising our fourth quarter, and we are looking to increase our revenue growth. Revenue and operating profit expectations, and lifting our full-year outlook.
31. +0.01%22:10Management$28. $7 billion.
32. +0.01%22:18Management7%.
33. +0.93%23:42Management12.2%. We averaged approximately $6.1 billion
34. +1.07%24:20Managementdue to the outperformance of the business and the pension contribution we made using UPS bonds. 23%. Our business is performing the way we intended to perform.
35. +1.87%25:18ManagementAdditional efficiencies because of the UPS network. Please open the lines for questions.
36. +1.87%25:31OperatorThank you. We will now conduct a question and answer session. If you have any questions or comments, please press 컬 Star 1 on your phone at this time. We do ask that while posing your question, please pick up your handset if you're listening on speakerphone to provide optimum sound quality. In the interest of time, we do ask that participants ask one question. And once again, if you have any questions or comments, please press Star 1 on your phone. Your first question is coming from Ari Rosa from Citigroup. Your line is live.
37. +1.43%26:04ManagementHey, good morning. Congratulations on some strong results here. Brian, I wanted to ask you about free cash flow expectations. Love seeing the improvement in the guide on free cash flow. If we think about the driver choice program and take those costs out, it would imply a big step up, or maybe not big, but solid step up in free cash flow for 2027. Recognizing you guys haven't given guidance yet for the year ahead, just give some indication on kind of how you're thinking about what free cash flow could look like or what the magnitude of that, step up could look like for 2027 and just safety around the dividend or coverage of the dividend. Thanks.
38. +1.43%26:47ManagementSure, Ari, and thank you for the question in the form of bonds rather than cash, which is good for our pension plan. It was also very good for our issuance. We had a very successful issuance in the quarter. As you think about how that rolls into next year, you're absolutely right. The driver choice cash requirement goes away, which will drive an improvement in free cash flow. Depending on how we fund the pension, we may then have to do something about it. We may have to offset the $450 million in there. And then obviously, look, we've always talked about the fundamental driver of free cash flow is getting the domestic margin to start moving in the right direction.
39. +1.24%27:32ManagementI think we're showing the structural changes that we're putting in place are getting us there. That's helping to drive a free cash flow improvement in the second half and will help us as we go into 2027, where we expect free cash flow to continue to move up and improve our dividend coverage as we grow back into the dividend payout ratio that we talked about for a long time. So clearly, our dividend is safe and secure. Very helpful. Thank you. Can you remind us quickly what the magnitude of the driver choice spend is there for this year? $1.4 billion this year. Okay. Very helpful. Thank you.
40. +1.06%28:09OperatorThank you. Your next question is coming from Chris Weatherby from Wells Fargo. Your line is live.
41. +1.06%28:17AnalystHey, thanks. Good morning, guys. Maybe kind of a big picture question. You know, Carol, you noted kind of getting through some of the big initiatives that you've been working on, and then. Maybe getting to a sort of better opportunity for consistent growth over the longer term. I guess if we can zoom out. I know it's a little early to talk about 27. But what do you see as the growth algorithm for UPS as we go forward? Now that the glide down is done, you're focusing on B to B. Pricing is good. Kind of how do we think about all of that, and what does it mean for earnings growth over the long term?
42. +1.06%28:46ManagementWell, let's start with the addressable market. As we think about our addressable market, we actually think about it from manufacturing floor to the front door. Because we serve that entire supply chain as one UPS. And if you then roll that up to what we think is addressable, it's about $922 billion. Now clearly, we're focused on the premium side of that addressable market. So around the world, the premium opportunity is about $535 billion. And then here in the United States, if we just want to narrow it down to the premium opportunity here in the United States, it's about $150 billion. So you can see there's a lot of market for us to grow into.
43. +0.64%29:28ManagementAnd the mathematical equation of what this means for our earnings is that we expect volume growth. We expect our RPP to grow faster than our cost per piece, so that we have margin expansion. We expect that not only in the United States, but we expect that in our international small package business as well. Then in supply chain solutions and our forwarding business, as you saw, we had good growth. Really solid. We had good growth in the third quarter, with our forwarding business up 17%. If you look at the drivers of that, it was really in the premium space, health care as well as high tech. And with the explosion of data center growth here in our country, the logistics opportunities are enormous. In fact, we estimate the logistics opportunities
44. +0.08%30:13Managementassociated with data centers alone is $15 billion. And to bring that real for the United States, in the third quarter, our high tech small package business grew 30% year on year. Now, on a small base, but 30% year on year. So the mathematical equation is set for us to continue to drive earnings. We're not going to give guidance today. We're going to do that at the end of the fourth quarter, like we always do. But the mathematical equation, given the addressable market we have, gives us really a solid foundation to grow earnings. And I should add one more thing. We're doing it on a network that is so much more efficient than it was. And with our new global operating model, we're going to make it even more efficient.
45. +0.08%30:57AnalystDAVID SEHRMAN.
46. +0.08%30:57OperatorAppreciate the call. Thank you. Your next question is coming from David Vernon from Bernstein. Your line is live.
47. -1.21%31:06AnalystHey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. So Brian, I wanted to maybe dig in a little bit on the carryover from the cost programs and efficiency efforts. And Carol, love to hear your thoughts here too. But if we're looking at sort of second half margins, around 8.9%, I think that should be a base for 2027. I'm just wondering, as you think about the follow through from all the cost actions you've taken, how does that set you up for incremental margins looking forward? I'm just trying to get a sense for trying to see if you can help us put some guardrails around what the incremental profit outlook should look after all this noise from Amazon is behind us.
48. -1.21%31:50ManagementBRIAN VON DER WEIDE. DAVID VON DER WEIDE. These are structural. Start with the volume base. In the third quarter, our core volume, so the volume outside of Amazon, is going to be the volume of the market. So we're going to have to do a lot of work on that. We're going to have to make sure that we're going through nearly 2%, as Carol mentioned, and I said 200,000 pieces a day. That is structurally different volume than what we have been growing with over the last several years. That's going to provide a better foundational base, not just for revenue quality, but also to help us drive a better cost per piece outcome. The second piece, as you mentioned, we've completed now the network reconfiguration. We finalized the driver choice program in the third quarter. We've completed the building restructuring.
49. -1.44%32:34ManagementWe've had the hours come down commensurately with the volume. So we're on track for that completion of that program. That's going to drive this structurally better margin improvement that we saw in the third quarter and gave us the confidence to improve our fourth quarter guide. We expect that to carry over. Those are structural changes. And look, as we talked about, this kind of range of 50 to 100 basis points spread between RPP and CPP will help us continue to drive improvement in the margin as we go forward. On the productivity side, it's a virtuous cycle here at UPS. Yes, we have a lot of Amazon-specific related activity that we have delivered. But there's more to do on the productivity side.
50. -0.36%33:16ManagementAnd I'll narrow and look at just our RFID initiative. Here, as you know, we're moving from a scanning to a sensing network, which is eliminating billions of scans and driving productivity not just inside our operations but with our drivers. We are moving, as you know, upstream, to put the RFID labeling at the customer location, which is good for the customer because it expands the visibility of their chain of control. It's also good for us because it reduces the amount of confusion over missed pickups and that sort of thing. We have RFID labeling at the customer location in 315 customer locations. It's about 3 million packages a day. That's growing to 6 million packages next year.
51. -0.53%34:01ManagementSo that initiative is working very, very well. And we'll continue to look at ways to drive automation and productivity in our worldwide network.
52. -0.53%34:16OperatorThank you. Our next question is coming from Tom Wadewitz from UBS. Your line is live.
53. -0.53%34:24AnalystYeah, good morning. And yeah, it's nice to see the traction on some of the initiatives in the volume side and in general. I wanted to ask you about how much visibility you have to that, so kind of specifically SMB volume growing. I think you were saying SMB and enterprise. So is that something that you say, OK, if we see that in 3Q, you can extend that into first half next year, or just kind of visibility on that piece? And then I guess when we think about like CPP versus RPP next year, do you assume that you get kind of, let's say, 3% base price and then you get some favorable mix on top of that, like a point of mix on top? Just trying to think about the kind of what you're trying to do with that.
54. -0.54%35:08AnalystAnd then I guess, I guess, I'm just going to go back to what you said. I'm going to go back to what you said. What keeps you above CPP next year, and what are the pieces? Thank you.
55. -0.54%35:16ManagementWell, I'll start with the visibility and the growth opportunities for us. So we were very pleased with the growth that we saw in enterprise and SMB customers in the third quarter, and we expect to see that in the third quarter and into next year. Why? Well, one reason is our churn has shown dramatic improvement. Our team is doing an excellent job of keeping the volume that we have by meeting our customers where they need us to be. We're also growing into new opportunities by first understanding what the needs are of those industry segments and meeting those customers where they need us to be. And most importantly, I think, is that the consumer is resilient. It's really interesting to look at what's happening with the consumer spend.
56. +0.86%36:01ManagementIt's a bit of a K curve, for sure. If you have assets, you're spending. If you don't, you're stretched. But as long as the employment rate stays fairly stable, and it appears to be fairly stable in our country, consumers are going to spend because they have assets. And that, of course, is an important part of how you grow volume, is to make sure that consumers are spending. So it's the capabilities that we are investing in, the reduction in churn, and a good consumer environment gives us confidence about the visibility to grow. Now, in terms of the spread. Yes, Tom, on the RPP-CCP spread, I think you're thinking about it right. Look, you'll notice that over the course of the year, the RPP level has been coming down. And we've always talked about the components of RPP, right?
57. +0.86%36:46ManagementIn the third quarter, it was 6.1% growth. About half of it was fuel. The other half is base rate and mix. And as we wrap the Amazon declines, that mixed benefit will come down, and it'll normalize to something that's closer to historic levels. However, we continue to see a strong pricing environment. We announced our GRI earlier this week that's consistent with prior years. We continue to see that. We have the ability to price for the value that we provide to our customers in these premium segments, as Carol had outlined. And so we expect to continue to get that kind of 200 to 300 basis point base rate pricing and mix benefit. And the Amazon volume, we are volume,
58. +0.96%37:31Managementwhich helps to drive a positive product and customer segment mix going forward, just at a slower pace than what we've seen in the last 18 months.
59. +0.96%37:40AnalystGreat. Thank you.
60. +0.96%37:42OperatorThank you. Your next question is coming from Scott Grupp from Wolf Research. Your line is live.
61. +0.96%37:50AnalystHey, thanks. Good morning. So I just want to make sure I'm getting a big picture message on margin right. So if you look, U.S. margins for the last three years, they've been sort of right around 7.5%. It sounds like you think we're going to see margin improvement next year. I just want to understand, like, are there big opportunities for margin improvement? Like, can we break out of this range, and can we get back to – can we ever get back to, like, a double-digit margin? Or should we look at Q4, or you're saying U.S. margins are going to be up 30 basis points or so? Is that sort of the right magnitude of margin improvement to think about sort of going forward?
62. +0.20%38:28ManagementNoise on Amazon? Yeah, look, this kind of 50 to 100 basis point spread in RPP and CPP is going to help us continue to drive consistent margin improvement.
63. +0.20%38:57ManagementThere are those kind of changes, but we will be moving up some of the initiatives, Carol. We have to 10 in a year, but every year improve the margin, because we're going to continue to lean in. We're going to continue to lean in to premium. The premium opportunity is big. We're going to continue to drive productivity. So every year, margins should get better. And I think, Scott, the level of discipline that we've created around the business on what volume is right for our network and important for us and the pricing associated with that volume will allow us to drive consistent margin improvement
64. +0.39%39:42Managementas we go through the next several years.
65. +0.39%39:46AnalystThank you, guys.
66. +0.39%39:49OperatorThank you. Your next question is coming from Ken Hoekstra from Bank of America. Your line is live.
67. +0.39%39:55AnalystHey, great. Good morning. Maybe just following up on some of the questions, your thoughts on inflection to volumes. When do you expect them to turn positive? I guess, do we still carry the negative comps of the Amazon through the first half? And should we then, Brian, it sounds like from your last answer, you see underlying pure pricing continuing? And then I guess, I don't know if you want to impact that. It sounds like your international margins are actually accelerating, right? I think you said over 20%. So instead of gradual, that sounds like a bigger step up on the international side. So maybe some thoughts on all those. Thanks.
68. +0.39%40:31ManagementYeah, sure. So the Amazon volume, volume number, until we get through the second half. It's on the core volume growth, right? We had nearly 2% core volume growth in the third quarter. We expect that to continue going into the fourth quarter. And we will continue to grow that core volume, the places where we're leaning in, as we go through 2027. On the pricing, absolutely. Look. We're talking about, it's a constructive pricing environment. As I mentioned, we published our GRI that's been consistent with prior years. And we continue to show this 200 to 300 basis point base pricing and mixed improvement.
69. +0.41%41:13ManagementAnd we expect that to continue to go forward, no matter how fuel moves around, right? On the international side, look, I think we had always contemplated a step up going into the fourth quarter. It's driven by, look, we have a peak in international as well. It's not quite 25%. But it's close to 20%. A step up in volume. And that creates a surge in demand and related demand surcharges that help us improve the margins as we go into the fourth quarter. Right? But structurally, look, I think if you look at what we're doing, both on the international side and the domestic side, better revenue quality, more efficient networks are helping us to drive consistent margin improvement. Well, and if we look at our international business, and there's a chart posted on the website that shows volume trends by month.
70. +0.41%41:58ManagementYou can see what happened in July. When the de minimis exemption was eliminated in Europe, the volume had a sharp decline. But every month following, it's gotten better. And we are seeing growth in the most profitable trade lanes, which is China, U.S., Asia to Asia. So that is also helping drive the international margin in the fourth quarter. And as we look to next year, we expect the international margin to continue to grow. We've said, Brian, you know, the mid-teens, mid-to-high teens. Mid-to-high teens is the right range for now. Mid-to-high teens is the right range for the international margin as the trade lanes start to settle down a bit. And we're hoping that that's actually going to happen. Thanks, Kyle. Thanks, Brian.
71. -0.01%42:42OperatorThank you. Your next question is coming from Jordan Alliger from Goldman Sachs. Your line is live.
72. -0.01%42:50AnalystYeah, hi.
73. -0.01%42:51ManagementJust sort of thinking bigger picture about those high-value verticals you've been talking about focused on S&B, healthcare, B2B. Can you remind perhaps how you sort of think about the growth in each category over the next several years? And then on B2B, I don't know if you mentioned explicitly, you know, we've come close to getting to the point where we're going to be able to get to the next level. Yeah. I think we're going to get into an inflection on that front. Thanks. The verticals, if we can take healthcare, the projected growth rate in complex healthcare logistics is around 6% per year. If we take data centers, I mentioned a $15 billion opportunity, it's supposed to double. It's supposed to double. We'll see.
74. -0.20%43:34ManagementBut the opportunity sets are large. Automotive is highly dependent upon, well, a number of factors, of course. But it should grow faster than GDP, and that's an area that we've been investing in as well. Matt, is there anything you want to add to the growth rate opportunities? Look, just a couple things. I think Carol hit on data centers. And I think it's, look, we continue to see that market have accelerated growth, even outpaced some of what we've seen in traditional small package. The one highlight I think is, look, we're very well positioned in this data center. It's very complex. These are complex needs across the supply chain where our network, the resiliency of our network is perfectly fit to be able to handle it, to Carol's point, from factory floor to factory floor.
75. -0.36%44:15ManagementFrom factory floor to the front door because it's multimodal and across all geos. So we're in a really good position. On the SMB front, we're continuing to see, you know, the same growth rates that Brian and Carol highlighted. I do think it's worth noting, you know, where we're capturing growth, and it's not just volume growth within SMBs, but on our digital access program, we're capturing premium growth. So when you think about commercial and you think about also air volume, we're seeing that premium air volume come in those higher growth markets.
76. -0.36%44:48OperatorThank you. We'll have more questions coming from BASC majors from Stevens. Your line is live.
77. -0.36%44:53AnalystThanks for taking my questions. Carol, going back to your real change takes courage commentary earlier, certainly the commentary from you and Brian after shows you getting the fruits of your labor into next year on the difficult decisions you've had to make over the last two years. As you look out over the next two, what courage requiring decisions do you think you piece together? What decisions do you think UPS needs to make? And how do the strategic moves you've made in recent months and quarters put you in a position of strength when you make those decisions? Thank you.
78. -1.30%45:31ManagementWell, Beth, thank you. And I suspect in your question, there's a question about our Teamster contract. It's important to note that that comes up for renegotiation or it expires, if you will, on August 1st of 2028. So that's a ways out, but it is in the next couple of years. Just as a reminder, we invited Teamsters into our company over 100 years ago. And our approach has always been to have a constructive relationship with Teamster leadership. And we really do try to do that.
79. -0.34%46:05ManagementIn fact, if you go to the driver choice program that we offered earlier this year, which was an offer to buy drivers out so they could go on to retirement, Teamster leadership was pretty vocal about their displeasure with that program. I think principally because it was so well oversubscribed. And we worked with Teamster leadership and came together on a mutually satisfactory outcome. And that certainly is our approach going forward. I will tell you something that I think is interesting. Except for our founder, Jim Casey, I believe I will be the only CEO who has negotiated two Teamster contracts. And from that, I think it gives me a distinct advantage. Because there are many teams.
80. -0.34%46:47ManagementBecause there are many lessons learned from the 2023 contract negotiation. And I'm not going to go into all those lessons learned with you today. But those lessons learned position us for that contract negotiation that will happen in 2020. Thank you.
81. -0.06%47:10OperatorYour next question is coming from Brandon Ogleski from Barclays. Your line is live.
82. -0.06%47:15AnalystHi. Good morning. And thanks for taking my question. I want to come back to B2B trends in the quarter. I'm not sure if you guys addressed that, what your volumes were. And then maybe more broadly about competition. Because I think Amazon has obviously made a very big public push here with pricing going up.
83. -0.06%47:29ManagementAre you seeing incremental competition for those premium verticals? Thank you.
84. -0.06%47:33AnalystOn the B2B side, we didn't discuss B2B. And Brian, is there anything you want to call out?
85. -0.06%47:37ManagementI would just say, look, the other important component of B2B that we don't talk about a lot, but I think is really important because it's both our SMB and our B2B strategy, is really around DAP. Right? Our DAP strategy is really around DAP. And we're talking about the B2B strategy. Right? Our DAP program continues to grow tremendously. It's going to hit $1.3 billion in the U.S., $1.4 billion globally in the quarter. And we're now 30% B2B in air, right, in the DAP program. So it's not only a driver for us to hit a different customer segment,
86. +0.02%48:21Managementbut it's also a driver for us to continue to grow premium product mix in that customer segment. From a competitive perspective, first from a pricing perspective, it seems like the pricing environment is rational amongst all competitors. It seems very rational. As it relates to Amazon itself, first of all, we have a really interesting relationship with Amazon because they're a customer, they're a supplier, and they are a competitor. As we look at Amazon shipping, we haven't seen any measurable or meaningful impact to our business since the announcement they made earlier in the summer. And I suspect there are several reasons for that. Our networks are just different. They have a linear network. We provide reverse logistics.
87. +0.56%49:04ManagementTheir ground offer is two to five days reliable delivery. We have ground guarantees. We're just a different network. And so we're not really seeing any impact into our business as we said today. Now, of course, we'll pay attention to them. We'll pay attention to all competitors. But right now we like the buying trends that we're seeing in our underlying business. Thank you.
88. +0.56%49:28OperatorThank you. Your next question is coming from Brian Ozenbeck. Thank you. Brian Ozenbeck from JPMorgan. Your line is live. Hey, good morning.
89. +0.56%49:39AnalystThanks for taking the question. Maybe first follow up for Carol just on the underlying volume trends in the business. I think you mentioned peak, the bigger shippers are up sort of similar quarter to quarter into the holidays, but the rest were down. It sounded like most of that was Amazon driven. So maybe you can talk about the ex-Amazon, ex-big peakers and what that looks like for a more, I guess, granular view on the peak season. And then we'd love to hear if Nando's on the call. Assuming he is. I think it was mentioned there's some more benefits from a global network. I'm assuming there's not really much structurally that would change with new leadership, but we'd be interested in hearing maybe some new processes or efficiencies they're looking to drive there under the new structure. Thank you. I have 100 customers. We had 25% seeing the Amazon glide down slightly in the fourth quarter. But if you back out Amazon, it's growing. Do you want to give any more color there? Yeah, Brian, just to put some context to it. Total ADV down 1.3%. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth.
90. +1.30%50:22ManagementWe're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. We're seeing a lot of growth. And we're seeing a lot of growth, but we've seen the Amazon glide down slightly in the fourth quarter. But if you back out Amazon, it's growing. Do you want to give any more color there? Yeah, Brian, just to put some context to it. Total ADV down 1.3%. Sequentially, we're going up 4 million pieces a day from Q3 to Q4, which is a similar shape to what we've had last year and in prior PEAKs.
91. +0.07%51:03ManagementNow, what I would say, that I think is super exciting from an EPS standpoint, when we look a peak, we actually see the opportunity to deliver a great peak, right? Because by bringing down the water level on some difficult volume, right, it means that we are renting less trailers, releasing less aircraft. While we're hiring, we're not having to hire and trade as many people in such a short time period. So it's going to allow us to deliver a great peak for our customers, a great service peak, and a great cost peak. And before we turn it over to Nano, I just want to say how thrilled I am to have Nano in this new role. There's no finer operator to be running the global network. So, Nano. Yeah, thanks for the question. And look, having spent the majority of my career overseas, I can put the two pieces together. So when you think about the United
92. +0.07%51:48ManagementStates four years ago, we had redesigned the entire transportation network into zones and made sure that we were working on service issues or productivity issues upstream as opposed to taking those penalties in our transportation network. Since then, we've overlaid our total service plan. And I just want to give you an example.
93. +0.58%52:07ManagementUtility. Vision.
94. +1.29%53:00ManagementThat's exactly where we're going to go. And if you take what's happening in the U.S., and we're talking a lot about cost, cost per piece, and RPP, implemented the automation, some of the technologies and the different structure in terms of structural, we actually can grow volume and we're growing less resource as we grow the volume. So that is a recipe for improved margins we can create globally. And Matthew, we have time for one more question.
95. +1.29%53:31OperatorCertainly. Certainly. Certainly. Certainly. Certainly. Certainly. Certainly. Certainly. Certainly. Certainly. Certainly. Thank you.
96. +1.29%53:39AnalystGood morning. Brian, from the $3 billion of cost savings, $1.8 billion through September, I know it was supposed to be back half-loaded, but with 40% for the last quarter and especially a peak quarter, we're expecting kind of typical seasonality. Is it still kind of line-of-sight slam dunk, or is there a chance that if peak's better than expected and some resources are required for that, that some of that $1.2 billion will be added to the final piece of that savings puzzle slips into the beginning of next year?
97. +1.07%54:07ManagementNo. We feel comfortable with it, Jonathan, because a lot of it is related to the hours that ramp down with the Amazon volume. About the volume that was leaving the network, and as those hours exit, that volume comes out, that was always going to be weighted to the last quarter of the target, and so we were comfortable. Additionally, the driver buyout, the roughly 1,600 people, finished exiting at the end of the third quarter, so you get the full wrap of that, and obviously all the buildings now exited. So we feel comfortable with the $3 billion objective.
98. +1.07%54:41OperatorGreat. Thanks, Brian. Thank you. I'll now turn the floor back over to your host, Mr. P.J. Guido.
99. +1.07%54:50ManagementThank you, Matthew. This concludes our call. Thank you for joining, and have a good day.